An 80-year old attorney approached me a while back, and he said, "Bob, I was given up for dead. My cancer had metastasised. I was sent home to write my will, to get my house in order . . . to die. I sent my son to Radio Shack, where he bought the parts for your device for $39.00. We put the device together. I walked into the hospital three weeks later, and walked out with clean biopsies. They were stunned. I am back at my job, working 14 hours a day to make up for the time I was in intensive care. I am jogging two miles a day."

Another person who approached me at a speaking engagement said, " I was a dying AIDS patient. It took two attendants to lift me onto the potty. I am now back at work, and I have no symptoms. " One AIDS patient started on our program with a PCR teat, which measures the number of HIV particles in a cubic centimeter of blood, with a count of 412,473 on June 9, 1995. When he finished on November 1, 1995, his count was less than 100 particles. One hundred particles is the smallest amount their instruments can read, so if the count is less than 100 particles, it is read as zero. So we can say that he had a spontaneous remission. If I only had one of these, it could be a fluke, an accident. But I have test after test from patients replicating these same results. We also waited a month after the blood cleaning took place to have the follow-up tests performed. When you see these with your own eyes, and touch them with your own hands, it is entirely different from anecdotal data.

We have had Alzheimer's patients regain their memories when their brains were oxygenated using this technology. You can buy an ozonizer at a tropical fish store. The FDA has prohibited the sale of ozonizers for human use. Russ Torlage and I are going to describe to you shortly how to obtain the technology and how it works.

My personal story is that I was "90% dead" when I weighed 290 pounds (I now weigh 145 pounds). My hair had fallen out, and it has grown back; my libido was shot; my prostate was shot. Using this technology, I have taken 35 years off my chronological age (I am 72 years old), and all you have to do is see a drop of my blood and you will believe it. And there are no side effects. I know I would be dead now were it not for this program. So, I really do feel that I have been called to do this.

I now weigh half what I used to weigh. When the parasites are all removed from the blood, you lose weight, because the parasites are using your body. They set your appetite so that everything you eat is stored for them to have a meal.

People with AIDS have never died from AIDS. They have died from opportunistic infections that have killed them because their immune systems weren't working. There are 23 of these opportunistic infections. This technology kills all 23 of them. The AIDS patients get well; they go back to work. We have the evidence. Do you know how devastating this information is to the establishment?

I was given terminal cancer patients by the largest and best-known hospital in California. After 12 of them were healed, some of them ended up committing suicide because we had taken their crutches away from them. We will say that this technology will not overcome a person's death wish. That is an issue we have to find an answer for and have not yet found, but we will.

LE: We heard that within the last few days, five Anthrax cases have surfaced in California and also in Phoenix, Arizona.

Bob: We understand the Iranians were playing with Bubonic Plague and Anthrax. We have word from friends who are in high places that our technology is the only thing known besides Ampicillin that will have any effect on any of these diseases.

LE: Could you talk about immortal blood?

Bob: We coined the phrase "immortal blood," but in the literal sense, it isn't true, of course. It was just a romantic term to describe reverting the blood appearance back to how it looks when we are in perfect health. When viewed under a dark-field microscope, the blood of a normal, healthy human being usually has a lot of parasitic worms, viruses, fungi, germs and pathogens swimming around. After three weeks of doing the blood cleaning, the magnetic pulsing and the silver colloids, which I will talk about later, your blood is not clumped like slinky toys or stacks of poker chips. Who needs more proof than this?

When the immune system is restored, it can even handle cancer. Any oncologist will tell you this. It has been known for many, many years. You can restore your blood to the immortal state. You can do this yourself at home. We have the clinical proof that it works. It is cheap, do-it-yourself technology.

LE: I would like our readers to know about how you became involved in these technologies, which enhance the immune system and kill every organism that isn't supposed to be there.

Bob: I read an article in Science News that was published March 30, 1991. On page 207, it described the "shocking" treatment proposed for AIDS by Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, which had accidentally discovered a way to cure all AIDS. So I looked into this, and I found that a paper on an AIDS cure had been presented to a Joint Congress on Combination Therapies in Washington, D.C., on March 14, 1991, at the First International Symposium on Combination Therapy.

When I attempted to find a copy of this paper to see what it said, I found that they had all vanished or were cut out of the proceedings. We hired a private investigator who got a personal abstract copy from one of the conference attendees. I also did a computer search and found that the only other mention of this technology was in "Outer Limits" in Longevity Magazine which appeared in the December, 1992, issue. It stated that Steven Kaali, M.D., from Albert Einstein College of Medicine, had found a way of inhibiting AIDS in blood, but that years of testing would be required before the virus-electrocuting device was ready for use. In other words, they discovered it and then tried to cover it up immediately.

But a very funny thing happened. Two years later, a patent popped up. The U.S. Government Patent Office described the entire process. You can obtain Patent #5188738 in which the same Dr. Kaali describes a process, which will attenuate any bacteria or virus (including AIDS/HIV), parasites and all fungi contained in the blood, rendering them ineffective from infecting a normally healthy human cell. This is in a government document! This was in 1990! Why haven't they told the public about it? I decided if there was a sure-fire cure for AIDS, I had to find out about it.

When I looked into Dr. Kaali's work, I decided to go ahead and fund it. We found that it worked all of the time. For two and a half years, we gave full credit for this invention to Dr. Kaali, whose name is on the patent. Then I discovered that there was a long history of this technology. We followed a trail of these patents back 107 years! We found a patent, #4665898, that cured all cancer, dated May 19, 1987. Why has this been suppressed? Why hasn't your doctor told you about an absolutely proven, established cure for cancer? The answer is that doctors get $375,000 per patient for surgery, chemotherapy, x-ray, hospital stays, doctors and anesthesiologists. This is the official statistic from the U.S. Department of Commerce. Unfortunately, the medical patient cured is a customer lost.

A lot of people say, "Aren't you infringing on others' patents?" In the beginning, I was nervous, but when I found this technology had been discovered and rediscovered for 107 years, I changed my mind. Now I am broadcasting it from the rooftops. Still, it is very touchy. It's rocking the pharmaceutical, surgical and diagnostic industries. But I really feel that I have been called to do this. I have had people come to my door with guns. I have been threatened and chased. But I think God wants this information out. I feel it is my mission to give people back to themselves, to deliver them from these vested interests, these priesthoods that are taking everyone's money. I am not charging a nickel. Russ Torlage has helped me with prototype units. We have given them to people to run clinical tests. That is how I got my results.

LE: Can we talk about the technology?

Bob: Yes. The most important step in taking back your health and your power is through blood electrification. Research from Harvard, MIT and Albert Einstein College of Medicine has shown that microcurrents are known to eliminate all viruses, parasites, fungi, bacteria and pathogens in blood. I can prove that this research was "lost" or suppressed.

The second step is externally applied magnetic resonance of lymph, spleen, kidney and liver, which helps to neutralize germinating, latent alien invaders and thus blocks reinfection. This quickens disease elimination, restores the immune system and supports detoxification. Detoxification is essential because you are throwing off millions of dead and dying bugs. Permanent magnets, no matter how strong, will not nor cannot scavenge pathogens with electromotive force. It is important to be able to deal with rapid detoxification without producing tremendous discomfort. One of the worst things you can go through is detoxification if you are the slightest bit sick. If you go too fast, and don't detoxify, you have done more harm than good. We go by the motto, "First, do no harm." There are ways to prevent this discomfort, and we will get into that in a few minutes.

The third step, which we found worked amazingly and synergistically well, was silver colloids. Pennies-per- gallon, self-made perfected colloids greatly assist in eliminating all known pathogens and preventing opportunistic infections. This has been known for a long time.

The fourth step is drinking ozonized water for rapid, safe, totally natural cell oxygenation without free radical damage. I get high from drinking ozonized water every day. It's like drinking a martini and a half.

There is no known cure for herpes, Epstein-Barre or Ebola. If it gets loose here, it will kill thousands. But not if you have colloids and a blood cleaner!

LE: How many glasses of ozonized water a day do you recommend?

Bob: Drinking two or three glasses a day is essential. This provides universal detoxification by oxidation of wastes, and dead and neutralized pathogens. They are all anaerobic. In other words, they can't live in oxygen. Cancer cells can't live in oxygen. Neither can most of the other disease cells known to humankind. The ozonated water puts oxygen into every cell in your body. You can prove that you are oxygenated by using a little spectrometer that attaches to your finger made by Nelcor Company. It tells you on a meter the exact percentage of oxygen in your blood. The hemoglobin of the red blood cells carries oxygen to all of the tissues of the body. You may start at 93% to 95% oxygenation, which is low, and after two and a half to three minutes of drinking this water, you will see 100%. Not only will you feel better, but you will know why, because oxygen is the fruit of life. (If ozone comes in contact with water it forms hydrogen peroxide - W.L.)

People ask us if there are side effects from this. Yes, there can be bad side effects, but we do our best to avoid them, and we will address that. One of the side effects, which is universal, is detoxification. When detoxification is occurring, which means that all of the dead organisms in your body are trying to be removed by your liver, you can feel sick, get rashes, skin eruptions, low grade fevers and feelings of depression and anxiety. If you are not alcoholic, don't have cirrhosis of the liver or AIDS, and are not on your deathbed, you can detoxify easier. We try to make this safe for anyone, anywhere. First, do no harm.

The second side effect is electroporation. This is where any medicines, herbs or enzymes that you have ingested can, in some people, become amplified 20 to 30 times. We have stressed over and over not to take any medicines! For example, if you have garlic in your system, a little bit of it is tolerable. But garlic has sulfonhydroxyl in it, which is a deadly poison. Gangsters and soldiers used to rub their bullets with it before they fired, so if you were nicked, it would kill you. Organic gardeners use garlic now that they can't get DDT. It kills everything. Garlic also kills lots of brain cells, which causes desynchronisation of the left and right brain hemispheres. Pilots are not permitted to ingest garlic before their flights because it slows down their reaction times. Do not touch garlic! It is not a health food.

We tell people to eliminate everything that is known to be toxic in large quantities, including certain vitamins, such Vitamin A and niacin, and also garlic.

LE: Let's say a person who considers him or herself to be healthy desires to use this technology to maintain health and get even healthier. In this situation, how would one use these products?

Bob: First, for several days prior to starting this program, you must avoid ingesting anything containing medicinal herbs, foreign or domestic, or potentially toxic medication, nicotine, alcohol, recreational drugs, laxatives, tonics, garlic and certain potentially toxic vitamins, because blood electrification will cause electroporation, which we have already talked about, and which is lethal. You can read "Electroporation, A General Phenomenon for Manipulating Cells and Tissues," by J.C. Weaver, Journal of Cellular Biology, Book 51, page 426 (1993), Harvard/MIT. Both the magnetic pulser and the blood purifier can cause electroporation .

Second, you have to take time to personally work with the machines. You may take the treatments for three weeks and then stop for a couple of weeks. During that time, use other things like the ozonized water. We mix and match. It is important to keep things in balance. We watch how the body is doing. Remember, this is something that will maintain and enhance your health for the long term. This technology is something you would want to have with you always, especially with the potential of the viruses, which may be coming.

LE: Bob, would you address ozone machines. Lots of people have these.

Bob: There are devices on sale even as we speak that put out toxic amounts of ozone into the air. These devices are lethal. You can drink ozonized water. You can inject ozone into your blood. You can take rectal enemas and get the ozone into your system through your intestines, but you cannot breathe it. If you breathe it, it is toxic! If you can smell the slightest traces of ozone in the air, that means there is more than the .06 parts per million allowed by OSHA. These devices will oxidize your lung tissue, causing hemorrhaging, impairment and swelling. Do not breathe ozone! And still, the FDA allows these devices to be sold because that helps to give holistic medicine a bad name.

Rachael Carson, in her book Silent Spring, mentions that a lot of women have so much DDT in their fatty tissue that they are unable to nurse their firstborn children. Their milk will be toxic. Ozone will remove the DDT in two to three days.

LE: So all of these machines are portable, and you can carry them with you if you want to travel?

Bob: Absolutely! You can go anywhere, even into the jungles of Africa where HIV is really a problem.

Russ: We have a number of customers traveling abroad, and they take these units with them. They purify their own water. The particle size of the colloids is important to mention here. It is very important that the size of the colloids be submicron so that they do not get lodged in the skin tissue. What is important here is to make sure you are creating silver ions, which by nature are submicron. Using the electrical process, you are creating silver ions, so particle size is not an issue.

LE: People don't need any kind of vitamins?

Bob: I would suggest that they take good minerals, and your body absolutely needs Vitamin C and some of the B-complex vitamins. It is up to each individual to make that decision responsibly.

People may want to do liver cleanses and flushes first. We have found that people get very good results by doing that. It is a gentle process for the long term. Let your body become acclimated to the great power that these machines can offer, and continue working with them. We get excellent results.

Russ: I want to tell you what happened with my wife's chronic fatigue. Within two months of using Bob's unit, her chronic fatigue was gone! She is now the Co-President of our company, and she is the brains behind everything. She is incredible!

So far, we have treated eight PCR-tested, HIV positive customers. After treatments ranging in length between two weeks and two and a half months, they each went to zero, below detectable levels. We were absolutely astounded to get that type of documentation. These are separate from the AIDS patients Bob has mentioned. We did our own testing. Many doctors, particularly naturopathic doctors, are trying out our technology, and their patients are getting well.

The blood of an AIDS patient is extraordinary to look at under a microscope. What you see will just shock you. There are life forms in their blood that look like octopuses with a hundred arms, and there are things creeping around. Then we look at their blood after a few weeks, and all of these things are disappearing. Their blood returns to the natural, healthy state it was when they were born.

Bob has opened us up to a wonderful way in which each of us can take back our power. We cannot always be under the power of some other authority. That is not a spiritually free state of consciousness.

The timing is perfect for this. I have seen hundreds and thousands of people getting well from so many different illnesses, even ones we didn't think the technology would be able to effect. Here is the key: Once the immune system is boosted, the body heals.

Bob: God designed us that way. Let me summarize by reading a paragraph from my book. "Why haven't doctors revealed this before now? Because it has been in the patent office. It has been in the journals. It has popped up over year to year. A patient cured is a medical customer lost. When actualized, this data could interrupt HMO profits, disrupt medical pharmaceutical cartels, abort all biological schemes, eliminate most drugs, medicines, debilities and early deaths, wipe out hospitals and health care capital investments, minimize insurance mechanizations, dramatically abate sickness and suffering, plus absolutely imperil social security futures with bankruptcies." My book is soon to come out. I have personally taken time to look into this before I put my reputation on it. And now that I believe in it, I am rather evangelical about it.